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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Apr 16, 2010 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

From the web 2005:

"Archive.org has been forced to take down over 1000 soundboard recordings of the Grateful Dead by Jerry's wife and a few (perhaps one) remaining member of the band."

John Perry Barlow, EFF co-founder and former Grateful Dead lyricist, tells Boing Boing:

You have no idea how sad I am about this. I fought it hammer and tong, but the drummers had inoperable bricks in their head about it"

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 16, 2010 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

Much as I love Jerry, I don't understand why these discussions always assume that Jerry's opinion and what Jerry might have wanted, could we speak to the dead or could we be certain we are properly extrapolating from this or that Jerry quote, forward to the age of digital media, is the only thing that counts.

That was a convoluted sentence but what I'm trying to say is Jerry's daughters and ex-wives and even his widow (we don't have to like her but he did marry her), Bob's family, Phil's family etc., and the many other people whose livelihood long depended on the Grateful Dead, into posterity, also have a right to benefit from this material. Sometimes I think deadheads are a bit infantile. The idea seems to be, everything should be free to me forever, because I like it. Why? Do you all give away your own work for free? Would your dependents be pleased if you did that? Or do you feel like maybe your own kids have a right to, say, go to college with some of your money?

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Poster: cush212 Date: Apr 16, 2010 10:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

Got no kids, got no money, am happy with what I do get...

;)

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Apr 16, 2010 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

"Jerry never lived in a world of instant downloads of 100% digital media. What would his opinion be? Can any of us know for sure?"

It doesn't mean that he was not in tune with this idea. There is an interview tape with David Gans and Dan Healy done backstage at one of the Greek Theatre shows in the 80s. "Someday there will be a website; where you can download everything in the vault." And this archive did not even exist in those days. There was some suggestion that we pay an annual fee for access to the whole enchilada; so it wasn't supposed to be a free lunch either.

Gans keeps most of his taped interview stuff and it sometimes resurfaces at a later time. Lookout for this Greek stuff on your old tapes...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 17, 2010 3:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

LOL, well then you're living the life :)
But the Boys have both money and kids ... lots of both. I know they are wealthy and we don't have to worry how they're scraping by. I'm just saying I don't think we should begrudge them parceling out some of the goodies to their own families as well as to the rest of us.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 17, 2010 4:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

And isn't it ironic that in fact all or most of the music is free for listening, just not for taking and owning, yet that's the complaint of Deadheads?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 17, 2010 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: disappointing

Hey Ring-O; I've been taking a purely academic perspective above that is a bit counter to some of what has been posted but NOT because I don't want "them" to get all they deserve/can/etc. But, do note that Phil Lesh WAS one that did NOT agree with the pulling of the SBDs. Nor was Barlow. So, some do think it's a wise biz decision, while others, for whatever reason, do not.

As I outlined above, I think that in fact, until "data" are in on profit margins, it is in fact still debatable that a hardline approach vs a "let em have them" is best for profits for those concerned...it seems it is not settled...again, I am defn NOT one that "wants it all for free" and I in fact pay for EVERY release of "my" era each and every time it comes out.

Hey MS: I'd gladly buy up EVERY CREAM release if they remixed and upgraded those SBDs of the shows we share!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 18, 2010 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

saving a 100+ jobs at GDM was one of the main reasons given for pulling the entire collection Nov 05 - followed by contracting out intellectual property to Rhino and layoffs within a year...



"I'd gladly buy up EVERY CREAM release if they remixed and upgraded those SBDs of the shows we share!"

i probably wouldn't have w/o first hearing a taste, you might have very well bought them anyways, knowing your penchant for what i like to refer to as incorporeal energy swathed in over driven vacuum tube harmonic distortion ..."Clapton is god" wasn't written on subway walls for his voice :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 18, 2010 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

"penchant for what i like to refer to as incorporeal energy swathed in over driven vacuum tube harmonic distortion"

That's me! The "clipped" recordings though, do bother me a tad--hoping against hope the SBDs could be tweaked (?) to reduce that with CREAM...

The point you make about layoffs, prec'd $ making opportunities, etc., though, is where I still have questions as outlined above (was it a good biz decision?, etc., etc.).

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 18, 2010 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

10/15/67 is quite listenable, not to say there isn't a lot of room for improvement with some pro enhancement...not to sound ungrateful, but 9/3/67 is the one i have issues with, gave up 2 tracks into it, is it worth persevering?


check this out, McLaughlin directly quotes Sunshine during his epic "Dream" (Between Nothingness and Eternity - live Central Park - my fav Maha) as well as an odd time theme that is based on Clapton's accompaniment during Rollin and Tumblin'...unfortunately only the 2nd half of the monstrosity was uploaded, this clip starts in the middle of Goodwin's solo with the last of the Sunshine quotes, then segues into variations on a'Rollin' theme (in odd time, of course!) with John/Billy a'tumblin'...boys will be boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBhKy9XGPy4

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 18, 2010 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

sorry to say, probably not, I only sent that one cause of how good fall, 67 was...but fear not; the shows I have in hand more than make up for it!

BTW, do you have Trader's Little Helper? IE, it would be much better if I can send you a couple DVDs with the SHNs/FLACs and you convert to WAVs to burn, or use as you see fit if you have fancy pants players...this would also give you all the "info" and artwork, etc, etc. Plus, the studio disks will show you JB can/could DEFN sing, and even EC wasn't too bad in 66-67.

Pt being, I wouldn't have to burn you all the ind CDs...you would do that. TLH is FREE, just google it if you aren't already familiar.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 18, 2010 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

don't know why i didn't think of DVD's cause that's how i've been storing my data...Flac Frontend or MKW should do the trick at this end (and about time to start making full use of the i-pod anyways)

thanks!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 9:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

CK for a message at Hook...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 18, 2010 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in the name of energy...

Perfect! Will do that sometime soon...